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Fault Tree Points
#1
Quote:Hi,
I want to attempt the fault tree for Points. I request you to guide me to do that as the way you helped for DC Track Circuits in the below thread:

http://www.irseexam.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=294.

Please help.

First think about what "points failure" means. You ought to be able to list a number of different "top events"- diverse ways in which a set of points might adversely affect the efficient and safe operation of the railway. Some may cause delay or prevent the passage of traffic altogether, others may be immediately and directly dangerous, others perhaps a latent fault which lies dormant for a while before having its adverse effect. In doing this you are looking "top down" by regarding "points" as components within the entire railway system.

Then think about all the things that could go wrong and compile yourself a list of faults.
a) Think about the whole range of component parts: mechanical, electrical, signalling, P'Way, power, within the mechanism itself and all its related support equipment and interconnections.
b) Also think about the manner in which they go wrong: normal physical wear, deterioration due to age, chemical attack, abnormal loading, mechanical shock, vibration, electrical overload, extremes of weather, user abuse, vandalism .......
In doing this you are looking "bottom up" by regarding "points" as a system composed of smaller components.

So try to pair things up in typical combinations that displays your knowledge of point mechanisms and of failure modes:
part a may seize up (why?)
part b may loosen (why?)
part c may leak (why?)
part d may become detached (why?)
part e may burn out (why?)
part f may fracture (why?)
part g may become out of alignment (why?)
..................................................
something external x may obstruct (why?)
something external y may cause physical damage (why?)
someone z may do something careless (why?)

Now what you now need to do is to consider what faults in what combination and in what circumstances conspire to create the various top level events which you identified initially.

Connect up in a logical manner using AND / OR gates to combine the various threads suitable, then job done.
Simples.

So have a go and submit your efforts.
Use the example for a signal in the GM Rail event thread as an example from which to work.
PJW
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#2
Firstly, define what you mean by points. The signalling scope for points is generally reasonably well defined in the UK but differs across countries and even infrastructure owners!

Care is needed when stating what constitutes a failure. For example, a detection switch can gradually drift out of tolerance and for the operator, that is a failure. However, for signalling, it is a design feature and the system is working correctly. In reverse, the frog could fracture but the signalling system wouldn't indicate the mechanical failure, the operator may not detect it either but the PWay techs would classify it as a failure.

Jerry
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#3
(23-07-2010, 08:31 AM)Jerry1237 Wrote: Firstly, define what you mean by points.

Jerry

Before anyone says that Jerry is taking too much of a module 1/7 view, do reflect on the 2007 module 5 question:

For a top event of your choice, prepare a fault tree for a set of power operated points including the switch and stock rails, identifying the most probable cause of the top event.
[15 marks]
Describe the precautions to be taken to protect against this top event.
[5 marks]
PJW
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#4
(23-07-2010, 08:31 AM)Jerry1237 Wrote: Firstly, define what you mean by points.

Jerry

Before anyone says that Jerry is taking too much of a module 1/7 view, do reflect on the 2007 module 5 question:

For a top event of your choice, prepare a fault tree for a set of power operated points including the switch and stock rails, identifying the most probable cause of the top event.
[15 marks]
Describe the precautions to be taken to protect against this top event.
[5 marks]


However do READ carefully; in 2004 the question clearly focussed on the signalling element but not exclusively the on track equipment:

Draw a fault tree for a point machine of a type you are familiar with. Include in your answer the machine and all its components, the mechanical connections to the track, the cables between the machine and its controlling apparatus, and the detection relays.
PJW
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#5
Hi,

I tried the fault tree for points and came out with the attached output.

Can anyone please check the attachment and let me know the suggestion/corrections, if any, i need to implement in that?

Awaiting the comments.

Regards.

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#6
(27-08-2010, 10:25 AM)jenni.joseph9 Wrote: Hi,

I tried the fault tree for points and came out with the attached output.

Can anyone please check the attachment and let me know the suggestion/corrections, if any, i need to implement in that?

Awaiting the comments.

Regards.

"The fault tree for points" is somewhat vague; you haven't said what particular failures you are considering.
Your top event is "points fail to operate" which I would interpret as failure to move at all, and would not include the failure mode of the points moving though without actually achieving detection at end of stroke. It certainly doesn't cover the invalid achieving of detection when the switch rails are not in the correct position, nor the mechanical collapse that might cause a derailment as a result of the switch rails being held firmly in position. So I will judge on this basis yet I warn that depending on the question actually set then it might be a very limited answer.

You have basically copied across the NO POWER and BAD CONNECTION sections from other fault trees. Hence these areas are fundamentally ok, but probably not what I'd have given great priority to in the context of points. The fact that you have written "head transformer" and refer to "650/110T" definitely doesn't suggest to me that you have given it a lot of thought or perhaps you don't have much knowledge of points. Either way it fails to impress me- I just don't get the feeling that you really understand points and how they can fail (which is what you are trying to demonstrate when answering the question).

If we now look at the third leg, the heading looks a jumble of different elements-
points not set properly,
points not locked,
points not detected.
These are actually good, but they needed to be kept separate and indeed these should have separately fed into the generic points failure top event on the same level as the points fail to operate .
By lumping "chalk and cheese" together you can't hope to show how the various faults can lead separately or in combination to the particular failure mode.
To take an example, "rail creep" was a good thing to consider but your diagram does not show whether you claim it will result in loss of detection or loss of locking; since this is a fundamental reason for producing a fault tree then (if you excuse the pun) you appear to "have missed the point".

In a Fault Tree the specific faults for which a failure rate can be estimated / supplied from historic data are at the bottom and shown in the circles. Where there is a "gate" which gathers a number of "strands" into something common that can then be considered as an input to a higher level of the tree then there can be a description written above it if there is not room in the "gate" itself. For example one of the causes of a point failing to operate is NO POWER and that itself can arise from several lower level causes such as 650V DISTRIBUTION LOST or NO OUTPUT FROM LOCAL TRANSFORMER or BLOWN FUSE IN SPECIFIC CIRCUIT. A lower level of the tree can be added to consider the things that could result in each of these, and so on and so on until it is not worth going down any further for the particular top event being considered.
You however have put sentences of text into these boxes, there are some good ideas here but instead of being in this box they should often have been shown as separate feeds into a "gate" that you haven't depicted. In the case of "stretcher bar" you have lumped together dissimilar faults- the breakage of the stretcher bar, the deterioration of the insulations within the stretcher bar. The fact that both involve the stretcher bar is irrelevant; you should be considering the various ways in which the points could cause the track circuit over them to fail and as a result be deadlocked by the interlocking and this could certainly include this insulation failure as one of severlal causes (others might include a discarded fizzy drinks can shorting out between rails of opposite polarity in close proximity, the burring over of the rails with a broken end plate at an IRJ within the S&C). You would include the fracture of the stretcher bar completely separately- the failure rate is different, the effect is different; indeed the failure of any one stretcher isn't likely to immediately cause a failure and so here is an opportunity to incorporate som ANDs as well as just ORs in the combinational logic, whereas it only takes one losss of insulation to cause the track failure.

In summary, there is a big difference in the consequences from faults which might result in:
a) points not being able to throw, but trains can be signalled over them normally in one lie,
b) points not giving detection at all and thus holding relevant signals at danger, necessitating hand-signalling but at least being safe,
c) points mechanically jamming midstroke such that an operator is unable to operate manually making it impossible to pass any traffic at all,
d) giving detection when the switch rails aren't quite correctly set, perhaps resulting in derailment
e) points with both switch trails against respective stock rails leading almost certainly to derailment and quite likely also a collision.

You may well understand all this; however unfortunately your answer did not get that message across; it is your responsibility to do this.
PJW
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#7
Hi,

Thanks alot for the detailed analysis. I gathered the information regarding the Point failure and tried to answer the question which I guess I failed.

I will try again with all the points you referred and will be back with an attempt again.

Thanks & Regards
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#8
Hi

Am back with the attempt again and can anyone please look in to the attempt for any comments.

Feedback is most appreciated.

Thanks & Regards
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#9
(24-09-2010, 06:14 PM)jenni.joseph9 Wrote: Hi

Am back with the attempt again and can anyone please look in to the attempt for any comments.

Feedback is most appreciated.

Thanks & Regards

A very definite improvement overall; you are now certainly getting the idea.  

A few more comments,that I hope will help:

1. I think it would have been a good idea to have included at least one AND relationship

2. It was a bit of a jump from "failed insulations" to "point failed to operate" that I think you realised and attempted to explain by a # note.  It would have been better had you depicted within the Fault Tree- indeed wit ould certainly have given you the opportunity to address item 1 simultaneously.

3. Should really have differentiated between a problem with the detection electrical contacts and the mechnical setting of the detection.

4. Whereas I think that the distinction between  "not set", "not locked" and "not detected" is a useful one to make, some causes will result in more than one of these.  I didn't really get the impression that you had enough understanding of points to assign the faults to the failures clearly- some items wer ok but other bits seemed confused.  
a) To me, the "point motor failing to drive" (because "no power available" or "bad connection to motor" or "motor failed" or "insulation causes track failure which locks points") is itelf an input to "points not set correctly" along with some of your other entries such as "lack of lubrication", "obstructed switch blade" etc.  
b) I'd take this as being the "coarse" rail positioning only,  then I'd consider the more precise positioning required in order for the machine's detection slides to be in the correct position.  
c) Then I'd consider the amount of misalignment (and indeed any other causes) that could prevent the engaging of the facing point lock.
d) Finally I'd consider any problems that there could be with the actual detection contacts and thereafter the line circuit to the location and interlocking.  Indeed I could also have onsidered failure of the point detection due to a supplementary detector or indeed the backdrive not positioning this portion of the switch rails correctly.

The top event would therefore be: signaller unable to achieve detection when calling points to opposite position".

Remember what the examiners are after from you:
a) demonstrate your knowledege of fault tree presentation,
b) demonstrate your knowledge of point machines, their component parts and how they operate,
c) demonstrate your knowledge of the signalling system as a whole and the railway environment,
d) demonstrate that you have read the question and your answer is targetted to precisely what was asked difficult for me in this case as you never actually defined what the question was!

Also check out this other thread


At an IRSE Exam Review a few years ago the following question was discussed

Question 10
Sketch a fault tree for either:
a) Loss of point detection;
or b) Loss of communication between a Signal Post Telephone and the signalling control room [10 marks]

Explain how such a fault tree could be used to estimate the likelihood of the failure occurring. [4 marks]

Based on your resulting fault tree, identify mitigating methods that could be implemented to reduce the risk of the fault occurring.



The attachment was presented as a possible answer to the first part of the question

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PJW
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