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2009 Main Line Layout
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(22-09-2012, 12:31 PM)Robbie Wrote: Hi PJW,

Thanks for your very helpful and prompt reply. I can see that what I wrote re: freight trains effectively treating a double yellow as a green is indeed politically incorrect nowadays. Very true Smile

Just to confirm though, at the start of this thread, Reuben's suggested solution stated in the assumptions:
Maximum permitted distance from caution to red = 1.5 * minimum figure

If 3 aspect signalling is used for mixed traffic in the 2009 module 2 case, the distance from caution to red would be 2x the minimum figure for freight trains. Is this OK?

I forget exactly what the old O.S. Nock green IRSE textbook said about having a maximum of 1.5 times the braking distance. Is the main issue that the headway would be impacted if the 1.5 factor is exceeded (mind you, freight headway isn't an issue on this exam)? Or is there a safety issue eg. drivers running on a yellow aspect may "forget" (!) they are approaching a red, as the red is so far from the yellow? Or to say it another way, does having an excessive distance between a caution and a red breed train handling complacency?

The 1.5 figure is UK practice before a specific risk assessment is required. This Railway Group Standard sets out the conditions - see section 2.


Quote:I guess in summary, can you confirm Reuben's assumption is valid? If so, is it a safety issue and/or a headway issue or something else?

It may cause a headway issue, but the safety element would be more important.

Quote:Also, if you don't mind some very basic questions while I'm at it:

a) I note that the exam question says to define all routes, however, Reuben's solution only includes route boxes for junction signals. Is this because not all routes need defining, or because of a UK practice I'm not aware of, or because the other routes are simple and so have been omitted to save time?

I would not expect to see a route table for a signal with only one route unless it has something odd about it (eg an approach release condition for deficient braking.

Quote:b) Also, please confirm, we don't need to show train protection for Main Line layouts, assuming the question doesn't ask for this. I only ask because Reuben's drawing shows some effort applied to include train protection, plus you mention previously a general AWS/TPWS note should be applied (as well as a specific note about the buffer stop and fixed red). Will this attract any marks, since the question doesn't explicitly ask for this?

It is quite normal to put a blanket comment about standard AWS provision and that no other train protection is shown.


Quote:Thanks so much,
Robbie

Peter (not PJW)
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Messages In This Thread
2009 Main Line Layout - by reuben - 10-05-2010, 11:16 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by greensky52 - 12-05-2010, 08:23 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by PJW - 12-05-2010, 08:41 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by reuben - 12-05-2010, 09:34 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by Hort - 12-09-2011, 09:43 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by reuben - 12-09-2011, 10:18 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by reuben - 24-09-2012, 10:24 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by PJW - 24-09-2012, 09:46 PM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by reuben - 25-09-2012, 05:31 PM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by Robbie - 24-09-2012, 01:06 PM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by Peter - 25-09-2012, 01:19 PM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by asrisaku - 12-06-2014, 12:23 PM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by reuben - 13-06-2014, 01:13 PM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by asrisaku - 15-06-2014, 08:54 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by asrisaku - 17-06-2014, 11:51 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by reuben - 17-06-2014, 04:20 PM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by asrisaku - 19-06-2014, 01:15 PM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by dorothy.pipet - 21-07-2014, 10:38 AM
RE: 2009 Main Line Layout - by dorothy.pipet - 15-10-2015, 11:06 AM
2009 paper - by Sid G - 22-04-2011, 09:40 PM
RE: 2009 paper - by PJW - 22-04-2011, 11:00 PM
RE: 2009 paper - by Peter - 22-04-2011, 11:03 PM
RE: 2009 paper - by Sid G - 23-04-2011, 02:00 PM
RE: 2009 paper - by Jerry1237 - 27-04-2011, 08:33 AM
RE: 2009 paper - by Sid G - 28-04-2011, 11:16 PM
RE: 2009 paper - by Robbie - 22-09-2012, 06:47 AM
RE: 2009 paper - by PJW - 22-09-2012, 08:53 AM
RE: 2009 paper - by Robbie - 22-09-2012, 12:31 PM
RE: 2009 paper - by Peter - 22-09-2012, 07:38 PM
RE: 2009 paper - by PJW - 23-09-2012, 01:17 PM

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