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At the Exam Review in Jan 2010, John Alexander circulated a DRAFT of the Control Table blank which will (probably) be available to use in the October 2011 exam. There will also be one for points.
Firm details will no doubt be made available formally in due course, but the attachment is the version that was distributed at the event and thus the best information currently available.
See also the information in the Exam Review thread re the likely changes in the Module 3 paper for this year.
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It occurred to me at the review that if there was a "standard" template that was permitted, was there an option for a "user" template. Exactly how this would work would need to be the subject of some careful thought since the examiners would have to be sure that if people were bringing sheets of their own paper containing details already on it, there was nothing other than normal table headings on it. Review by the invigilator before the exam session is one option, as is submitting the table to the office before for review and user templates sent to the centres with the other paperwork. Both have an admin overhead for exam centres. My view is that we run exam centres as a service to the candidate, so having to do a bit of extra work on the day should not cause centre organisers problems. Others may think differently and I appreciate that if the exam office gets clear feedback contradicting my thoughts, it may be a problem.
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Please upload the final copy of IRSE recommended Blank control Table for Signals & Points which will be provided during the Oct 2011 Module 3 exam.
As per latest announcement, marks allocation and exam pattern for Module 3 has been changed. Now the CT question will be having 6 signal and 2 Point CT
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We have already put the best we have on the website; I have forwarded the comments received to the examiner who produced but whether it'll change slightly before the exam I have no way of knowing. However I am sure that for all intents and purposes, what you see is what you'll be expected to fill in on the day.no longer have to create the blanks
None of us actually know what will be asked in terms of points and signals. Clearly since only have half the time, they cannot realistically be expecting the same number. However I guess that it might be a little over half, given the fact that now use pre-prepared blanks. I always used to reckon that a good student could do that in about 12 minutes for a "route per page type", say 9 mins for a column type.
My GUESS at what an exam paper MIGHT look like has been posted in the thread setting a mock paper for the forthcoming Signet weekend. I did send to the examiners and asked to be told if it would be misleading, but got no response. Seeing as they are not supposed to be contactable at this time, I didn't chase an answer; I think though had it been significantly misleading that I'd have been told.
Hence I think that this represents the best estimate likely to be available prior to the exam.
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Hi
Please upload the final copy of IRSE recommended Blank control Table for Signals & Points which will be provided during the Oct 2011 Module 3 exam.
As per latest announcement, marks allocation and exam pattern for Module 3 has been changed. Now the CT question will be having 6 signal and 2 Point CT
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(27-07-2011, 06:08 PM)PJW Wrote: We have already put the best we have on the website;
See this post
Thanks for your suggestions and Estimates.
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(05-02-2011, 10:41 PM)PJW Wrote: At the Exam Review in Jan 2010, John Alexander circulated a DRAFT of the Control Table blank which will (probably) be available to use in the October 2011 exam. There will also be one for points.
Firm details will no doubt be made available formally in due course, but the attachment is the version that was distributed at the event and thus the best information currently available.
See also the information in the Exam Review thread re the likely changes in the Module 3 paper for this year.
Sir,
please, recmonded draft control table are complete table are you sure because i am confuse with point control table and route control table
please urgently clerified, so i am preparation with draft control table
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10-08-2011, 09:33 PM
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I'll try to look at your Control Tables by the weekend.
Regarding your query, which I hope I have understood correctly.......
I am as sure as I can be that the pair of blanks we have placed in a different thread (Peter has placed a link to it from higher up in this thread) are the ones you will get in October.
Point type: these are similar to the design of yours (but I could not read all your headings) so I think this is not a problem for you.
Signal route and aspect type: yes it is complete, there is no extra sheet. It is very different to current or recent Network Rail type.
It has been reduced just to have the minimum entries which the IRSE think are the most valuable. Therefore many of the boxes that you may be expecting are not there; do remember to use the comments/ remarks columns for the oddities you need to show but for which there is no specific column in this design.
It is arranged in columns so that multiple routes can be placed in separate rows on the same sheet. This helps save time particularly when doing the M W and C classes of the same fundamental route.
Remember that you do not have to use it; you may take blank sheets of your own preferred design.
If I have not answered your question correctly, please ask again with additional words to explain your query.
(10-08-2011, 01:21 PM)SARVESH KUMAR Wrote: Sir,
please, recmonded draft control table are complete table are you sure because i am confuse with point control table and route control table
please urgently clerified, so i am preparation with draft control table
with regards
sarvesh kumar
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10-08-2011, 09:42 PM
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I'll try to look at your Control Tables by the weekend.
Regarding your query, which I hope I have understood correctly.......
I am as sure as I can be that the pair of blanks we have placed in a different thread (Peter has placed a link to it from higher up in this thread) are the ones you will get in October.
Point type: these are similar to the design of yours (I could not actually read all your headings- it looked to me like: Required Routes & SRL Normal which I am guessing means "Sectional Route Locking") so I think this is not a problem for you.
Signal route and aspect type: yes it is complete, there is no extra sheet. It is very different to current or recent Network Rail type.
It has been reduced just to have the minimum entries which the IRSE think are the most valuable. Therefore many of the boxes that you may be expecting are not there; do remember to use the comments/ remarks columns for the oddities you need to show but for which there is no specific column in this design.
It is arranged in columns so that multiple routes can be placed in separate rows on the same sheet. This helps save time particularly when doing the M W and C classes of the same fundamental route.
Remember that you do not have to use it; you may take blank sheets of your own preferred design.
Just thought that you might be meaning something else-
Perhaps one cause of your confusion is that I believe that in at least some railways in India, there is may be no separate point Control Table and that somehow the information is shown on the Control Table for the route / signal instead. It may be that it is this information that you think is missing- the holding of the points by the routes is shown in the UK on the points CT, whereas the route/signal aspect CT only lists those points that are checked for availability before the route is able to set.
If I have not answered your question correctly, please ask again with additional words to explain your query.
(10-08-2011, 01:21 PM)SARVESH KUMAR Wrote: Sir,
please, recmonded draft control table are complete table are you sure because i am confuse with point control table and route control table
please urgently clerified, so i am preparation with draft control table
with regards
sarvesh kumar
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(10-08-2011, 09:42 PM)PJW Wrote: I'll try to look at your Control Tables by the weekend.
Regarding your query, which I hope I have understood correctly.......
I am as sure as I can be that the pair of blanks we have placed in a different thread (Peter has placed a link to it from higher up in this thread) are the ones you will get in October.
Point type: these are similar to the design of yours (I could not actually read all your headings- it looked to me like: Required Routes & SRL Normal which I am guessing means "Sectional Route Locking") so I think this is not a problem for you.
Signal route and aspect type: yes it is complete, there is no extra sheet. It is very different to current or recent Network Rail type.
It has been reduced just to have the minimum entries which the IRSE think are the most valuable. Therefore many of the boxes that you may be expecting are not there; do remember to use the comments/ remarks columns for the oddities you need to show but for which there is no specific column in this design.
It is arranged in columns so that multiple routes can be placed in separate rows on the same sheet. This helps save time particularly when doing the M W and C classes of the same fundamental route.
Remember that you do not have to use it; you may take blank sheets of your own preferred design.
Just thought that you might be meaning something else-
Perhaps one cause of your confusion is that I believe that in at least some railways in India, there is may be no separate point Control Table and that somehow the information is shown on the Control Table for the route / signal instead. It may be that it is this information that you think is missing- the holding of the points by the routes is shown in the UK on the points CT, whereas the route/signal aspect CT only lists those points that are checked for availability before the route is able to set.
If I have not answered your question correctly, please ask again with additional words to explain your query.
(10-08-2011, 01:21 PM)SARVESH KUMAR Wrote: Sir,
please, recmonded draft control table are complete table are you sure because i am confuse with point control table and route control table
please urgently clerified, so i am preparation with draft control table
with regards
sarvesh kumar
Sir,
My question only for IRSE exam if i am written question for control table as per indian practice one route/ signal to destination & answer given as per indian practice total information given including ponit set or locked , back lock , route release, approch lock & other control etc and the control table of indian practice is attached here. how marks obtained from 25 if control table is correct including point & route table. otherwise i am written answer as uk practice seprate route control table & point control table
with regards
sarvesh kumar
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